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Phil Ivey Loses Upwards Of -$2 000 000 Shooting Dice AT The WYNN Casino Las Vegas Last Night


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#1 HSPO

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:04 PM

You will never beat a casino at its own game who ever you are. Phil is one of poker's greatest, his problem is TMM (to much money) he should consider setting a $million poker HU challenge on Full Tilt. AT least then he would get more enjoyment playing again. I would bet that durrrr and the other high stakes players would join forces like the corporation did againt Andy Beal. that would be sick poker. :
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#2 Joytoys

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:24 PM

is this verified?

I remember some loser on here saying how he reckoned Ivey was probably staked to play dice because people thought he was "lucky". What an idiot!!!

#3 lowstakespoker

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:27 PM

Ya he does that frequently.... just check out the life of Ivey on pokerroad.com.
Lose 2m at dice, then get a check in the mail from fulltilt for 5M for the month of may.
And win 500K on the lakers, 200K off Negraneau and 5more mill of bracelet bets....
who cares about 2M on dice...

#4 pinkca$hmere

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:31 PM

If he lost them at craps, it is not that stupid as per craps is one of the few casino games that you can beat the house, skills matter at craps.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:41 PM

Craps is NOT a game of skill - it is a game of luck. If you know what you are doing you can decrease the house edge to a minimum but you cannot beat Craps, the casino will ALWAYS have an edge.

From casino advisor magazine;

"In any case the world of games is divided into two categories: games that require skills and games that depend on luck (games of chance).

Games of chance: Traditionally, games of Luck are baccarat, craps, Roulette, slots, keno and bingo
Games that require special skills: Blackjack and different variants of poker are traditional games of skills"

The only ever argument I've heard for beating craps is using "Dice Control" to manipulate the roll of the dice. Most people however say that this is a load of rubbish and if anyone can do it they are VERY few and far between and Ivey definitely isn't one of them!!

#6 HSPO

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:53 PM

Albert Einstein said: “The only way to beat roulette is to steal the money when the dealer’s not looking.”

guess that goes for craps as well then
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#7 XsloviX

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:41 PM

Joytoys(the freakin clueless wonder who lives in his mom's basement and can't afford a huffy with one wheel) said: "I remember some loser on here saying how he reckoned Ivey was probably staked to play dice because people thought he was "lucky". What an idiot!!!"

OMFG you want to start this again, you IDIOT? I proved this to you before, you donkey. Point blank, in a Life of Ivey video on Pokerroad, David Williams and Phil are talking about "the dice figure" and how David can get "unstuck" from buying into Phil's dice action. Phil says "he took ten percent of me shooting dice over the last year..." and then tells him the only way is to buy in again ("that's how you're gonna get even; you're gonna bet").
Did I say Phil was "STAKED?" No; obviously that is stupid. I said people bought pieces. FOR THE LAST TIME, GET A CLUE YOU CLOWN!!! How many times do you have to get pwned before you learn to shut the fuhck up?
Here is the video so you can shove your fat foot in your fat mouth once again (and don't forget last time you had nothing to say when I posted the evidence).
http://tweet.pkrrd.c...ying-up-on-bets
YOU LOSE. AGAIN.

#8 XsloviX

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:45 PM

And, technically, there are video poker machines that payout over 100% (102% at most), but that is over a huge sample size and depends on you--at some point--hitting the max payout. Now, Joytoys, if you want to argue with me about that, I can rattle off a number of websites that will make you look like a clown for the third time.

#9 jollen

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:46 PM

xslovi, calm down now, will ye=)

#10 jollen

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:47 PM

joytoys might be retarded but he is atleast trying and is prolly unknowingly retarded

#11 DrDW

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 10:29 PM

I am very reluctant to enter this heated debate.

But, blackjack is not regarded as a game of skill! Even playing 'perfect blackjack' the house has an edge. Yes, it is possible to card count (but it is cheating, and is very hard to get away with). To the everyday punter, there are better players and worse players, but the fact that the house always has an edge means it aint no skill game.

#12 InsaneDane

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 10:36 PM

Would anyone please explain the house edge in Black Jack ?

The house edge on roulette is obvious, cant figure out the edge in Black Jack ?



#13 HSPO

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 10:46 PM

Dealer always has position so you bust he wins.
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#14 offroff

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 10:50 PM

The house edge in black jack is that the player has to get his cards before the dealer, so the player can bust and the dealer don't need to risk anything.

edit: oops, Im slow

#15 DrDW

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 10:50 PM

Ye, the edge in roulette is straight forward.

On average in blackjack the dealer has 5% advantage. But in some casinos its only 0.5% depending on house rules.
But, the main advantage (as far as I know) comes from the fact the dealer acts last. Just like having position in poker, dealer sees all the information and knows what needs to do.

#16 lov2raise

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 11:00 PM

Could you giv me the lik to that video? ths
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#17 InsaneDane

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 11:20 PM

Ohhh, stupid me, of course

Thanx for the explaining

#18 XsloviX

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 11:38 PM

DrDW,

A) Counting cards IS NOT illegal. However, since casinos are technically private property, they can ban you and forbid card counting.

B) Because counting cards has been mathematically PROVEN to be successful (moving the edge to SLIGHTLY in favor of the player), it is, technically, a skill game.
I think the bottom line is that poker clearly has more aspects that make it a skill game than do other casino games.

#19 mnboy9722

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Posted 25 June 2009 - 12:09 AM

PAI GOW IS SKILLS GAME
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Posted 25 June 2009 - 12:35 AM

Of course you are correct in what you say XSloviX but if you actually manage to beat Blackjack you will soon not be allowed to play anymore or will end up with a sore *** out in the back alley.

Poker is the only game that I know of where you can use skill over and over again to win and nobody will ever complain. More likely they will give you a free suite!





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