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#1 gimmegotbroke

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:06 PM

I read all the time about how people believe online poker is rigged or just unreal. Well it very true, but for a more simple and obv reason. They use no burn cards, now if u ask them why they will tell u that burn cards are used to protect the stub during live play, which is true. But if u put those 3 cards back in the deck, random card theory or not it still gives any draw 6% more chance to suck out. so remember that the next tiime ur thinking about calling off to a draw, u might be ahead... another thing, they will also give u 5 consecutive cards in 2-7 triple draw,(suppose to get 4 then come back to u or burn and give if ur last.....#3. they will give u the last card in the deck in 7 card draw. both of these things will never happen live. Thus online is fake in that it is not the same game.


#2 Codden

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:22 PM

Since the burn cards are unknown I don't see why this would make a difference.
I guess your joking... right?

#3 Exsplendesco

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:24 PM

gimmegotbroke (2010-04-22) I read all the time about how people believe online poker is rigged or just unreal. Well it very true, but for a more simple and obv reason. They use no burn cards, now if u ask them why they will tell u that burn cards are used to protect the stub during live play, which is true. But if u put those 3 cards back in the deck, random card theory or not it still gives any draw 6% more chance to suck out. so remember that the next tiime ur thinking about calling off to a draw, u might be ahead... another thing, they will also give u 5 consecutive cards in 2-7 triple draw,(suppose to get 4 then come back to u or burn and give if ur last.....#3. they will give u the last card in the deck in 7 card draw. both of these things will never happen live. Thus online is fake in that it is not the same game.


Absolute true, i talked with a pokersite about this and they admitted that its not the same online compared to live....

#4 Nukeblast

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:26 PM

I love rigtards.



A random card is a random card. Burn card or not the odds are exactly the same.



By the way an online shuffle is better than a manual shuffle...you can try this yourself. Take a new and ordered deck of card and shuffle it. Now turn it over and see...you'll see that's in not that shuffled...you'll have some straight flush in there.



The casino shuffle is quite complex and even by doing this very long shuffle it isn't 100%...a computer shuffle is 100% random if its done well.

#5 renton28

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:29 PM

Play at Bet n Go then.
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#6 maggers

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:36 PM

Surely when you are playing live you work your odds out before the burn card is burned, therefor i can`t see any reason why not burning a card online would make any difference.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:41 PM

i have AA you have KK just us in the pot. flop and turn K 2 2 3

#1. I have 2 out of 46 (52-2(mycards)-4(board))

are you saying........?

#2 I have 2 out of 44 (52-2(mycards)-4(board)-2(burn))

as above unknown is unknown



and if your logic was correct and #2 was live and #1 was online it would make hitting spec cards harder not easier. but that is moot as #1 is how you calc it, burn and opponent cards do not matter as they are unknown

#8 benfetch

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:42 PM

Worst thread iv ever seen. Some people are just plain idiots. If you honestly believe this gimmegotbroke or if u just cant understand it u really shudnt be plating poker.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:43 PM

One poster more stupid than the next. This OP takes the cake though.


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#10 Exodus199

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:54 PM

I pretty much never post on threads just to insult people

but if you actually believe this then you're just that especially stupid that I just can't not.

#11 poppachops

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:02 PM

For the retards.

Let's assume we are playing heads up. Player 1 is all in and drawing to one card on the river. Out of the 52 cards in the deck 8 are known (2x hole card and four cards on the board) and therefore the remaining 44 are unknown. Each of these 44 cards could be in anyone of 44 positions (1st in the deck, 2nd, 3rd etc). If we are burning cards then they can also be in the muck pile.

To complete their draw Player 1 must hit their sole out. This out mut be either top of the deck if no card is burnt or 2nd if a card is burnt. The odds of the card being in ANY position are 1 in 44. Therefore the odds of drawing out are 1 in 44. Burning or not burning cards has no effect at all on these odds.

Hope that clears things up.

#12 Tw33Ty

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:15 PM

poppachops (2010-04-22) For the retards.

Let's assume we are playing heads up. Player 1 is all in and drawing to one card on the river. Out of the 52 cards in the deck 8 are known (2x hole card and four cards on the board) and therefore the remaining 44 are unknown. Each of these 44 cards could be in anyone of 44 positions (1st in the deck, 2nd, 3rd etc). If we are burning cards then they can also be in the muck pile.

To complete their draw Player 1 must hit their sole out. This out mut be either top of the deck if no card is burnt or 2nd if a card is burnt. The odds of the card being in ANY position are 1 in 44. Therefore the odds of drawing out are 1 in 44. Burning or not burning cards has no effect at all on these odds.

Hope that clears things up.


Everyone here is agrees.
The only cinamonbunshere is OP.

#13 cagonzal

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:35 PM

yea. I can totally see how this is true. how else are we supposed to know they're not cheating us if we can't see the deck???? they never spread the cards out in front of us so we don't even know if they have 52 cards!!!! internet pokerz is defanetly rigged

#14 Thistle2

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:41 PM

Op is right, no burn cards gives you a 6% better chance of hitting a draw I will do the math.

(Number of cards in a deck)/ (Number of spades in a deck) = (52)/(13) = 4
4 / (Number of different suits in the deck = 4/4 =1
1 * Number of players in the hand * Number of cards that should be mucked
1*2*3 = 6%


So I'm sorry to say all the people disagreeing are completly ridiculous. :D
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#15 BarackOmaha

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:45 PM

lol what a pseudo math. I ask myself if op is joking or really means this serious.

It doesn´t fking matter if you burn no card, one card or 10 cards. You can burn every fking card until there are only as many cards in the deck as needed and it won´t change anything.

#16 gimmegotbroke

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:48 PM

I love how all u brilliant people forget the main reason for burn cards, Collusion, in omaha for instance 3 people are in a collusion and know 12 cards that are not possilbly in the stub, without burn cards they increase there edge 6%. I love online and have won P_stars B.O.P. 10 times. And why no comment on the 2-7 or the 7 card, guess u geniuses only play the kiddy games....

#17 PostTurnAction

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:54 PM

I thought collusion wasn't allowed online :unsure:

#18 BarackOmaha

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:58 PM

gimmegotbroke (2010-04-22) I love how all u brilliant people forget the main reason for burn cards, Collusion, in omaha for instance 3 people are in a collusion and know 12 cards that are not possilbly in the stub, without burn cards they increase there edge 6%. I love online and have won P_stars B.O.P. 10 times. And why no comment on the 2-7 or the 7 card, guess u geniuses only play the kiddy games....






lol, the reason for burning cards is to deter card marking, which is not possible online. op are you a little bit paranoid?



If 3 people have 4 cards in omaha and knew each others cards, then 40 cards would be unknown to them. And the burn card would be one of them, so which card that would be does not any fking matter. Boy oh boy.

#19 PostTurnAction

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 12:04 AM

BarackOmaha (2010-04-22) If 3 people have 4 cards in omaha and knew each others cards, then 40 cards would be unknown to them.


Wouldn't they be able to figure out what the remaining 40 cards are if they knew the other 12? :w00t:

#20 Nukeblast

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 12:11 AM

I've played like 1000 hands of live poker in my life.

Last week I was drunk and did an heads-up with a friend. I've flopped a straight and a 6x card straight flush draw which I catch on the river. Thank god he burned a card because there's no way that could happen online.

This is sarcasm but I really made a 6x card straight flush in a live game....live is rigged as hell.




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