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#1 temp51

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:40 AM

hey guys,

some days ago, __fullflush1__ was online on ftp: playing and chatting. i observed a chat with him and another high stakes player (they were sitting on a fl table). fullflush claimed that he was losing a lot till then on stars since 1 or 2 months after he cashed out big. thats why he did move to play on ftp.


This chat actually made me think about it deeper. i was cashing out on stars, too, for about 1 or 2 months. and, i was losing a lot the last weeks till now, no matter what i did. today for example i had a long session. got dealt 2 times pocket aces which did lose both times (both times i got allin). i got dealt pocket TT and did lose with it vs Ace rag also (was also an allin hand). and so on and so on. its brutal, and it does not make fun. it seems to be really rigged.


i do not think that there is a magical cash out curse. but i do think its possible that software is able to reduce winning chances for players that cash out (based on how much they have cashed out). and, i think its possible too, that software is able to increase chances for players that have deposited currently.


so, guys, i wanted to ask u: what do u think: is the cash out curse true or not

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:50 AM

(2012-11-20) i do not think that there is a magical cash out curse. but i do think its possible that software is able to reduce winning chances for players that cash out (based on how much they have cashed out). and, i think its possible too, that software is able to increase chances for players that have deposited currently.

Lol that's like saying - "I don't believe in ghosts, but I really think that there are people from beyond the dead floating around us".

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:59 AM

Surely feels that way sometimes.

but i have a theory that maybe you lose your confidence when you withdraw money.

and are on a lower bankroll than you suppose to.

variance happens to everybody and sometimes u get ur aces in good but they get cracked 8 times in a row.

my worst session ever by the way. Aces is not holy. but they win probabaly as many times as they supposed to.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:59 AM

Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:01 AM

I don't wish this to sound rude... but you guys are ****ing morons.

Seriously, do you have ANY idea how much Pokerstars makes a day from simply being the biggest poker software site? SO much. The richest people in poker by FAR are the people who own Pokerstars... so you seriously, honestly think they are going to rig their software to make people who cash out lose, and manipulate that cards illegally to get... what? An extra five dollars rake from you? Really? The MOMENT any kind of software blip that wasn't an automated RNG for the cards came up, they'd be shut down. Would you risk a potentially billion dollar business to scheme out a few more dollars?


Seriously, this talk of rigged poker and stuff is ****ing retarded. You don't need to steal a bottle of milk when you have a thousand cows giving you tones every day legally.


You got some bad beats? It happens. I bet you've beaten people while being the dog in the hand. I don't see you starting posts with, "OMG POKERSTARS IS RIGGED IN MY FAVOR BECAUSE I WON THIS HAND LOLOL!!!!111!!".

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:06 AM

Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

This has Nothing to do with game theory.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:11 AM

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Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

This has Nothing to do with game theory.



You mean poker, and all games based on probability and statistics has nothing to do with game theory? Just dont embarasse yourself...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:20 AM

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Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

This has Nothing to do with game theory.



You mean poker, and all games based on probability and statistics has nothing to do with game theory? Just dont embarasse yourself...



they are not the same

cash out curse is all in your head just like poker is rigged conspiracists

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:23 AM

Yamuckit46 (2012-11-20) Without a doubt 100% true that chances for players to win a hand is increased a lot when they are a first time depositor. I have seen this time and time again with horrible players playing PLO and getting it in with 4% chance and hitting constantly, right after making their first deposit. Now of course, when you make statements like this, the nieve people will hit you in masses with "LOL" chants "CONSPIRACY" in a sarcastic manner (Because they are nieve little retards that think stars and other poker sites have no interest in making as much profit as possible). As far as the cashout thing, I would agree. I have cashed out 20+ times on Stars for 5k+ each time. Every time I did it, I would bust the rest of my roll and have to deposit again.



So you know for facts when they made their first deposit HAHA!!! And even dumber you seen it time after time and still you sit around this newdepositer that have the depositedge, it would be like trying to fight Mike Tyson in his prime. GL!

Everytime you cashed out you had cents left in your BR and still you wore stupid enought to gambel on 5/10 because you got lucky the first time and made 5k. This time your hand dident hold and no br left. :( Very sad you had to go thru this 20 TIMES lols. (Big fat lie to u never won.)

You sir are an incredible stupid person i can tell by this small post!

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

LostSam (2012-11-20) I don't wish this to sound rude... but you guys are ****ing morons.

Seriously, do you have ANY idea how much Pokerstars makes a day from simply being the biggest poker software site? SO much. The richest people in poker by FAR are the people who own Pokerstars... so you seriously, honestly think they are going to rig their software to make people who cash out lose, and manipulate that cards illegally to get... what? An extra five dollars rake from you? Really? The MOMENT any kind of software blip that wasn't an automated RNG for the cards came up, they'd be shut down. Would you risk a potentially billion dollar business to scheme out a few more dollars?


Seriously, this talk of rigged poker and stuff is ****ing retarded. You don't need to steal a bottle of milk when you have a thousand cows giving you tones every day legally.


You got some bad beats? It happens. I bet you've beaten people while being the dog in the hand. I don't see you starting posts with, "OMG POKERSTARS IS RIGGED IN MY FAVOR BECAUSE I WON THIS HAND LOLOL!!!!111!!".



Yes you can always trust the poker sites.. It's fully controlled because it makes no sense for them to cheat when they are making so much money.

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/howard-lederer-29290.jpg

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:26 AM

some holdem wisdom if you consider yourself an excellent player.

then you probably going to make better desicions than your opponent.

and probably going to get your money in good more times than a average player.

and naturally they going to suckout more times on you.

than you would suck out on them.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:27 AM

Yamuckit46 (2012-11-20) So yes I would agree that the software is manipulated in certain circumstances to alter players chances of winnings. Based on my 200 000+ hands played. My job is playing poker, I am a winning player. I am not making this stuff up because I lose.

Anyways here comes all the "LOL WHY WOULD APOKER SITE EVER DO THIS, THEY DONT WANT MORE MONEY" comments.



Ahh you are a winning player. Then its confirmed. Stars is rigged. Sir got 200K + hands= like 6months of grinding (MAX)


Stupid stupid stupid.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:29 AM

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LostSam (2012-11-20) I don't wish this to sound rude... but you guys are ****ing morons.

Seriously, do you have ANY idea how much Pokerstars makes a day from simply being the biggest poker software site? SO much. The richest people in poker by FAR are the people who own Pokerstars... so you seriously, honestly think they are going to rig their software to make people who cash out lose, and manipulate that cards illegally to get... what? An extra five dollars rake from you? Really? The MOMENT any kind of software blip that wasn't an automated RNG for the cards came up, they'd be shut down. Would you risk a potentially billion dollar business to scheme out a few more dollars?


Seriously, this talk of rigged poker and stuff is ****ing retarded. You don't need to steal a bottle of milk when you have a thousand cows giving you tones every day legally.


You got some bad beats? It happens. I bet you've beaten people while being the dog in the hand. I don't see you starting posts with, "OMG POKERSTARS IS RIGGED IN MY FAVOR BECAUSE I WON THIS HAND LOLOL!!!!111!!".



http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/howard-lederer-29290.jpg





hahahahahahahhahahaha... you sir,,,just made my day!!! :D hillarious :D


on the other side though we all know that PS worth multiple times more than FTP, and weve seen they response to black friday as they cashed out all us players immidiately so we can all be sure they are reliable... Everywhere (i mean in business world) you can find companies which always try to scam you, and always will..but those wont last long (and never did), and thats FTP case, surely not PSs

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:31 AM

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Yamuckit46 (2012-11-20) So yes I would agree that the software is manipulated in certain circumstances to alter players chances of winnings. Based on my 200 000+ hands played. My job is playing poker, I am a winning player. I am not making this stuff up because I lose.

Anyways here comes all the "LOL WHY WOULD APOKER SITE EVER DO THIS, THEY DONT WANT MORE MONEY" comments.



Ahh you are a winning player. Then its confirmed. Stars is rigged. Sir got 200K + hands= like 6months of grinding (MAX)


Stupid stupid stupid.



or a couple of days in the zoom format. :-)

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:31 AM

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Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

This has Nothing to do with game theory.



You mean poker, and all games based on probability and statistics has nothing to do with game theory? Just dont embarasse yourself...

Is that what I said? No idiot, I was referring to how the "cashout curse" has nothing to do with game theory. Of course game theory has a hell of a lot to do with poker. But that's not what I was talking about. Game theory has nothing to do with a RNG being altered in favour of certain people.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:38 AM

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Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) Thats just pure nonsense guys. Thats like in medieval age people said that mrs. xxxx is a witch because that and that happened. Dont wanna destroy your illusion but thats poker, thats what game theory is about. Sometimes you are on fire, sometimes you are frozen. You can call it variance if you want, but thats just stuff what has to happen. Just because you lost twice with AA and then with TT vs Ax doesnt mean its rigged dude,,,wake up..

This has Nothing to do with game theory.



You mean poker, and all games based on probability and statistics has nothing to do with game theory? Just dont embarasse yourself...

Is that what I said? No idiot, I was referring to how the "cashout curse" has nothing to do with game theory. Of course game theory has a hell of a lot to do with poker. But that's not what I was talking about. Game theory has nothing to do with a RNG being altered in favour of certain people.



Then sir, I just dont understand why you've quoted my answer. I was just trying to tell (polite way) that's this rigger thing is pure bs. And my refer to game theory wasnt about this cash-out stuff,,,but about those "bad beats" the other guy has mentioned.. I seriously don't understand people like these. When somebody cant handle bad beats, he shouldn't play poker at all. Or, if he wants to claim it's true.. I recommend him to go to casino and play 40-50 a week (what would be 4-5h playing online, when we consider multitabling) and then he'll see the same bad beats as on the internet.. Not so often though, but that's just because you will never be able to play as many hands live as online.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:38 AM

To us who protest and argue against this less intelligent players, why do we?
It should be celebrated that there still is so many clowns out there in the pokerworld.
Let them discuss themselves , instead of trying to make them understand. They wount....In their eyes its fixed and that is very ok with me. One thing this guys never can answear is: Why is a winning player on site A always winning on site B, C and the fish lose on site a,b,c etc.




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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:45 AM

what a waste of a thread, is almost as bad as the "what should I wear" thread a while ago

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:59 AM

JynxTheLynx (2012-11-20) what a waste of a thread, is almost as bad as the "what should I wear" thread a while ago

How did I miss that one?! Link please :D

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:11 AM

Karcsikkk (2012-11-20) 
Then sir, I just dont understand why you've quoted my answer. I was just trying to tell (polite way) that's this rigger thing is pure bs. And my refer to game theory wasnt about this cash-out stuff,,,but about those "bad beats" the other guy has mentioned.. I seriously don't understand people like these. When somebody cant handle bad beats, he shouldn't play poker at all. Or, if he wants to claim it's true.. I recommend him to go to casino and play 40-50 a week (what would be 4-5h playing online, when we consider multitabling) and then he'll see the same bad beats as on the internet.. Not so often though, but that's just because you will never be able to play as many hands live as online.

Yeah I agree. We agree, so no point in arguing, my point was just that game theory is more to do with the strategy behind probability, not to be lumped in with what an RNG does and it's odds, and the variance that happens with winning hands or not.




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