Posted 2009-11-12 13:32
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So i was playing the Sunday Warm-up on Stars the other day and got knocked out by KipsterDK... he won the Sunday Million twice by the way so u obvs would have him as a very agressive player, the kind that will almost always raise the small blind if he tries to complete against his big blind.
We had been playing for around 2h30 mins and were down to around 1300 players. I was sitting with 25K (31bbs) at blinds 400/800 and was dealt pocket 66 on the small blind. Everyone folds and for the second time since i was moved to that table i go ahead and try to complete his big blind, and as usual KipsterDK raises me to 2200 i think for around a 0.001sec and kinda snap shove my 66, he goes into the thank and after round 45 seconds makes the 30bb call with AJo.. if i was on his place i'd never make that call because it certainly looked like i was trapping him since i already tried to complete his bb 3 or 4 orbits earlier but he raised me and i folded...
This hand created a 50K pot and would move the winner to the 100 first positions with around 1300players so i ask you... was it a bad shove by me or a bad call by him??
PokerStars Game #35091552335: Tournament #209020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (400/800) - 2009/11/08 18:19:27 BRT [2009/11/08 15:19:27 ET]
Table '209020016 376' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BOBBYLANE12 (15650 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (24679 in chips)
Seat 3: KipsterDK (28125 in chips)
Seat 4: JamesWyn (21585 in chips)
Seat 5: Mausvoorhout (8264 in chips)
Seat 6: yliriman (20300 in chips)
Seat 7: matofs77 (25367 in chips)
Seat 8: oldschool043 (28524 in chips)
Seat 9: marcot (12850 in chips)
BOBBYLANE12: posts the ante 50
Hero: posts the ante 50
KipsterDK: posts the ante 50
JamesWyn: posts the ante 50
Mausvoorhout: posts the ante 50
yliriman: posts the ante 50
matofs77: posts the ante 50
oldschool043: posts the ante 50
marcot: posts the ante 50
Hero: posts small blind 400
KipsterDK: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [6h 6d]
JamesWyn: folds
Mausvoorhout: folds
yliriman: folds
matofs77: folds
oldschool043: folds
marcot: folds
BOBBYLANE12: folds
Hero: calls 400
KipsterDK: raises 1400 to 2200
Hero: raises 22429 to 24629 and is all-in
KipsterDK: calls 22429
*** FLOP *** [7c 4d 3s]
*** TURN *** [7c 4d 3s] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [7c 4d 3s Jh] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [6h 6d] (a pair of Sixes)
KipsterDK: shows [Jd Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
KipsterDK collected 49708 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 49708 | Rake 0
Board [7c 4d 3s Jh Qs]
Seat 1: BOBBYLANE12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) showed [6h 6d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: KipsterDK (big blind) showed [Jd Ac] and won (49708) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: JamesWyn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mausvoorhout folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: yliriman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: matofs77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: oldschool043 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: marcot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PS: unfortunatelly i could not call this person the names that i would like to call him at that time because i already had my chat unfairly revoked few days earlier for saying ""Jesas Fokin Creist, where do they find these people!!!??"" when some french donk called my 80bb all in with 33 and hit a set on the river against my AA.
2009-11-12 14:09 by
runbad
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Posted 2009-11-12 13:37
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
So standard, you could easily been flatting his BB with a marginal hand A9,A10,KQ etc, when he raises as you say he does often. You shove then for me (if I was him, and his style and table appearance), I'm calling there, as he knows you know that he's raising every Blind situation, so you could easily be shoving a range of hands that AJ is either dominating or 60 40.
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Posted 2009-11-12 13:55
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
You play badly and then get upset when you get outplayed.
Reason he called is he figured you wouldn't play AA, KK, AK or anything of that nature in such manner. Your shove was an attempt to shut down the play preflop. That indicates a weak hand. No one really traps like this, unless you have some serious meta-game going. He figured you'd only do it with a weak ace or two face cards or a small pair. He was either going to dominate you or race, which is exactly what happened.
You think people really pay attention to how you played six orbits ago? The guys is probably multitabling 30 tournaments. I doubt he even bothered to see that hand to the end. He called and moved on to the next table. If you are afraid to see a flop out of position against a really good opponent, fold your small blind next time, especially when you are not starved for chips.
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Posted 2009-11-12 13:57
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
I dont like to call 30bbs with AJo when i have 35bbs and still a lot of game left but some similar play worked out for D.Moon and J.Cada playing for a lot more money so i think anything goes after the ME FT... its all luck anyway!
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:04
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
Printing Chips (2009-11-12)
You play badly and then get upset when you get outplayed.
Reason he called is he figured you wouldn't play AA, KK, AK or anything of that nature in such manner. Your shove was an attempt to shut down the play preflop. That indicates a weak hand. No one really traps like this, unless you have some serious meta-game going. He figured you'd only do it with a weak ace or two face cards or a small pair. He was either going to dominate you or race, which is exactly what happened.
You think people really pay attention to how you played six orbits ago? The guys is probably multitabling 30 tournaments. I doubt he even bothered to see that hand to the end. He called and moved on to the next table. If you are afraid to see a flop out of position against a really good opponent, fold your small blind next time, especially when you are not starved for chips.
mmm i dont know bro!! still doesnt make that a bad shove or a good call... i think u are the one who plays bad if u like to put yourself a risk every so often with AJo.. lets say it wasnt a Horrible call by Kipster but it wasnt good either...
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:09
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
kasinokid (2009-11-12)
Printing Chips (2009-11-12)
You play badly and then get upset when you get outplayed.
Reason he called is he figured you wouldn't play AA, KK, AK or anything of that nature in such manner. Your shove was an attempt to shut down the play preflop. That indicates a weak hand. No one really traps like this, unless you have some serious meta-game going. He figured you'd only do it with a weak ace or two face cards or a small pair. He was either going to dominate you or race, which is exactly what happened.
You think people really pay attention to how you played six orbits ago? The guys is probably multitabling 30 tournaments. I doubt he even bothered to see that hand to the end. He called and moved on to the next table. If you are afraid to see a flop out of position against a really good opponent, fold your small blind next time, especially when you are not starved for chips.mmm i dont know bro!! still doesnt make that a bad shove or a good call... i think u are the one who plays bad if u like to put yourself a risk every so often with AJo.. lets say it wasnt a Horrible call by Kipster but it wasnt good either...
I would've folded the AJ in this spot, but I've never won the Sunday Million either.
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:18
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
Printing Chips (2009-11-12)
kasinokid (2009-11-12)
Printing Chips (2009-11-12)
You play badly and then get upset when you get outplayed.
Reason he called is he figured you wouldn't play AA, KK, AK or anything of that nature in such manner. Your shove was an attempt to shut down the play preflop. That indicates a weak hand. No one really traps like this, unless you have some serious meta-game going. He figured you'd only do it with a weak ace or two face cards or a small pair. He was either going to dominate you or race, which is exactly what happened. You think people really pay attention to how you played six orbits ago? The guys is probably multitabling 30 tournaments. I doubt he even bothered to see that hand to the end. He called and moved on to the next table. If you are afraid to see a flop out of position against a really good opponent, fold your small blind next time, especially when you are not starved for chips.mmm i dont know bro!! still doesnt make that a bad shove or a good call... i think u are the one who plays bad if u like to put yourself a risk every so often with AJo.. lets say it wasnt a Horrible call by Kipster but it wasnt good either... I would've folded the AJ in this spot, but I've never won the Sunday Million either.
How he outlplayed me? he called my all in when he was behind..
I was multitabling as well btw.. i was playing around 8 tournaments, but playing a bunch of tables woud actually leads me to fold AJo even easier cus when the WarmUP table would pop up on the screen and someone is all in against me for all my chips (31bbs), at that stage of a tourney, folding is way easier, almost automatic...
2009-11-12 14:20 by
runbad
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:23
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
You decided to push all in, you decided to risk your whole tournament. Since you're getting called by overpairs (the only hands you're seriously dominating are 33,44,55) or overcards (AK,AQ,AJ) most of the time, you don't have to whine about losing here. You gambled, he gambled, you lost, period.
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:26
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
His call was good because most of the time it is a good call in this spot. You got outplayed because you allowed him to make a profitable call against you. You were not ahead by that much anyway, so you flipped for you tournament future, while he was enjoying the much better long-term odds.
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Posted 2009-11-12 14:35
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RE: Bad Shove or Bad Call???
OK bitches!! what would Phill Helmut do in this spot?
i dont know.. have to ask him...
i only play cash games..sry..
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