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RE: Crazy live game $10-$20, 99 on K34 5 board.
seany1888 (2010-02-25)
(and if he's calling for $400 with a gutshot, I don't see him folding any K.)
This is a very, very good point.
I have several problems with this hand, but lets take it from the top:
Do you raise 9s otb to get people to fold preflop?
Seems like wishfull thinking giving how you describe the action at the table..
Then you decide to c-bet into 4 players. (I assume you are talking about the blinds and the 2 limpers when you say "everybody calls the raise.)
I dont hate the idea of c-betting in multiway pots as much as many people do in general.
It looks super strong, and if you are playing against thinking players they will give you a ton of credit for betting into 3-4 players, and this board is certainly and ok spot to try it.
I really hate you betsizing on the flop.
No matter if the 400$ c-bet is into a 400 or 500$ pot, it is to big.
In a 400$ pot, a bet of 250 will generate an equal amount of folds as 400 will imo.
In a 500$ pot, I think 300-325 will get the job done most of the time.
You are getting a better prize when you are bluffing, which is essentially what you are doing with your 9s in this spot.
Your turn play is absolutely horrible.
This is the perfect spot to go for potcontrol, and try to get a cheap showdown, where 99 will have a decent amount of equity against a random villains calling range on this kind of board.
Instead you are shoving 1600 to win a 1300 pot, and thats just burning money.
Remember the BB called your big c-bet with 2 people two act behind him on a very dry board with no flushdraw.
Even in a fast action game, his call with to people behind shows a great amount of strength.
You say that sets are pretty unlikely, and I wonder why that is?
If he assumes that the limpers come along, he gets a great price with the babypairs preflop.
He can definitly smooth call with a flopped set, trying to get multiway action on a dry board. (Which would be a great way to play a set in this spot imo.)
On another note, you talk alot about being able to get him to fold weaker kings.
Given your description of a very loose game, where people dont mind playing big pots with marginal holdings, I really dont think you should give the bb credit for being able to fold a hand like top pair/decent kicker.
Finally your overbet shove looks exactly like what it is from the villains perspective:
A bluff from a guy who is most likely tilted after recently losing a big pot, making his call with a more marginal holding way easier.
All in all, board texture/action/your percieved image taken into consideration, your shove folds out the small amount of hands you beat, and gets called by everything that crushes you...
Just my 2c.
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RE: Crazy live game $10-$20, 99 on K34 5 board.
Hey El gutso,
I live in Shanghai, and play in some local home games. There are games from 5/5 up to 50-100 but i only play up to 10/20. I have been to macau twice, ran not bad both times winning abt 20k each time. But i haven't played much live, and ur right, my play there was horrible, and i felt that way too, thanks for the insight guys. I am thinking to put a br aside and try to play in this game a bit more rolled. I mainly play online, and obv. games are so different than online. it is hard to 3x bet them because usually ppl are playing so deep, and although it is 10-20 game, when people make 200 PF, how can you 3x bet? You really need a big hand to 3x bet....and you can't 3x bet with air because they call anything up to 1k PF sometimes, specially if you sitting with like 4-5k, and they usually have a mountain of chips behind. Kind of like in high stakes poker, where you dont see too much 3x bet going on like we do online.
I will certainly go play more in that game, and i will update my progress. Ever since i started playing live games again (past 1 month) i dropped close to 7k rmb,so not a great start...but that is ok because i had a good Jan and Feb winning abt 6k usd online. But i dont want to put my online BR solely to this game because i think online is my bread and butter.
Ok, thanks for the insights guys.
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RE: Crazy live game $10-$20, 99 on K34 5 board.
If everybody calls the initial raise all the time then why raise in the first place, 99 against a whole table is a bad hand unless you flop 9. Anyways you make a continuation bet with one overcard and you get called. His call should shut you down completely, you are in position so you can control the potsize. You have no clue what the other guy has so why shove ? He needs to make a bet on the river and you have a decision based on his bet but dont make a decision with very little information like you did.
In a game like you describe, never bluff, be patient and just wait for the nuts. The big hands pay off huge when you play fish so just enjoy the wait.
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RE: Crazy live game $10-$20, 99 on K34 5 board.
helgimo (2010-02-25)
If everybody calls the initial raise all the time then why raise in the first place
The reason I raised
Hey,
The reason i decided to raise with 99 is because whenever people limp, the guy on BB OFTEN makes it to 200 PF and i dont want to play a huge pot with 99 PF. Many times when i make it to 75 and there are 2 or 3 callers, he will make 500. So i figured if i made around 100 he will just call bc he will in general put me on a stronger hand, and that is why the raise.
You are right, i should be picking my spots more, and forget to try to play like durrrr, because for 1, i just dont have that kind of skill, for 2, i am not confortable playing as deep as they do.
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RE: Crazy live game $10-$20, 99 on K34 5 board.
seany1888 (2010-02-25)
(and if he's calling for $400 with a gutshot, I don't see him folding any K.)yeh really 
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