Posted 2012-08-03 05:55
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As most of you here will know, I very rarely play live (or NLHE), but once a month we play a home game.
The last time we played, this situation arose:
We play standard s'n'g format, and four of us were left out of eight.
Three people see the flop, and one guy bets, second guy calls, and then the third guy pushes some chips in without saying a word.
The dealer burns and then deals the turn, and then the third guys says, "Hang on, I raised..." (His chips that he put in are a flat raise...)
What happens in this situation, does his raise stand, and what happens about the turn card having been seen by everyone in the hand....?
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Posted 2012-08-03 09:30
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the way i no is they let the raise stand, complete the action the reshuffle stub
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Posted 2012-08-03 12:48
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if it is agreed that the raise counts, you would normally put the turn card away, burn again, and deal the river as a turn card. then, if turn action is closed, you would shuffle the turn into the deck and deal the new river without burning.
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Posted 2012-08-03 14:50
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I don't wanna be generalizing and ignorant and offensive, but if the other players (or dealer, if you used a separate person for that and not one of the players) don't realize what it means when a stack bigger than the last bet is pushed in then they should fkin pay more attention to put it mildly. (assuming everything was okay with the raise: at least minraise, multiple chips etc)
I see what WCS is thinking and that seems logical, but personally I can only be responsible for my own ignorance and not others'. So what others here have said should be true: if it's made clear that it indeed was a raise and it was just ignored, then turn is reshuffled, and action is on the next player whether to call, raise or fold etc 
Edit: Totally unrelated tho, Pokerjunkie, you said you don't play much live or NLHE. Would you please reveal what your usual and best game is then?
2012-08-03 14:52 by
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Posted 2012-08-03 16:37
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The rule we use is. If your raising you say "raise". In your case we would not let the raise stand (return his raise ) but continue the action as normal on the turn.
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Posted 2012-08-03 18:03
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I thought the ruling was that is you want to raise with 1 big chip, then you have to say raise when you throw the chip in. If you put multiple chips in you don't have to say raise, so the raise stands.
I believe it's the protocol to shuffle the turncard back in the deck and continue action on the flop.
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Posted 2012-08-03 21:58
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haven't read responses, but raise stands. Turn card is shuffled into the deck and a new turn is dealt if the action gets that far.
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Posted 2012-08-04 01:30
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WCS064 (2012-08-04)
So you guys have actually seen that happen? It sounds like the best possible ruling, i've just never actually seen it happen before.
Have I seen it in any big or relevant events? No. But in games with different people, when the turn has been dealt too early, it is taken away, action is completed, deck is shuffled and a new turn dealt. And that's what has always been suggested in these games. Also, think I remember one such occurrance from a casino as well, not sure tho.
Just for lols I sent a tweet with this problem to Matt Savage as well  let's see if he responds
Edit: here's what Matt said: Complete action, turn put aside, river now becomes turn and reshuffle put up river w/ no burn.
2012-08-04 01:33 by
woltzey
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Posted 2012-08-04 06:16
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Woltzey is of course right, it was 'dealer error'/ignorance but it's mainly a fun game we play, and everyone has a few glasses of wine and beer, and the buy-in is only £10; so late in the evening during the second game we have a couple of dealer errors most times...
The original confusion stemmed from the fact that we use fairly dark blue chips for 500's and blacks for 1000's. So player 1 bet two blues, player 2 calls two blues, player three puts in two blacks, and the dealer (who was out already) thought it was just a call. Normally this wouldn't be a big issue, we all agreed that the bet stands... the sick thing was that the exposed turn card would have hit the short stack's straight, with the big stack (the flat raiser) still having an overpair to the board (he had JJ). Instead of winning a pretty big pot, the short stack ended up folding on the turn to a big bet by the JJ guy when the 'new turn' missed his straight this time, and he bubbled a few hands later. In the end we got it a little wrong it would seem, because we agreed that the bet stands, but we left the original turn card face up and dealt the next card of the deck as the 'new turn'. Thanks for clearing things up though, and getting Matt Savage involved was pretty funny. In answer to a question, I play mainly 6-max PLO but I also enjoy limit games HU. Like (almost) everyone though, I did start by playing NLHE... mostly single table s'n'g's years ago on the old Cryptologic network (Betfair and William Hill.)
2012-08-04 06:18 by
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Posted 2012-08-04 06:29
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this situation happend while i played in local west brom casino the ruling there was as others said the dealer re-entered exposed turn and shuffled but strangely the same card was exposed again but that was poker gods smiling i guess ...
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