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http://www.highstakesdb.com/replayer-hand-popup.aspx?handId=1183361
Illari chooses to turn his set into a bluff on the river. I think he believes that Jeans89 flopped the straight and realizes that he can maybe get him to fold 74 repping 78 on that river. Shows what a dangerous player Illari is, given that he realizes his set is no good. He's certainly not value-betting.
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So, what do you think, what is the reason behind this failure???
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imo it wasn't bluff....
first of all, what would happen if ilari just checked the river? ( he played correctly previous streets)
in this spot, jeans would bet , ilari would called - same thing would happen...
ilari would not give him credit that he flopped str8 or that he made it on river.
i think more correct play was check call than bet the river, but they know each other too good...
and ilari surely knows what to do better than me 1M times....
rainbow flop, rainbow turn, ilari was just hoping jeans has lower set (3s or 5s) as
A4, 54, 74, 34, particularly 78 beats ilari....
he must have put him to KK either 33 or 55... jeans would call his set with any str8...
ilari hoped jeans thought he was bluffing holding hand like 8965, 9763 , 33KJds ,55QQds. KKAQ or AA88...
missread, thats all...
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2012-11-27 12:27 by
lofigr
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i think illari is never folding river so he shoves so that jeans doesn't check behind a worse hand that would still call a shove, its never a bluff i mean there's like 1 hand he might fold that beats him
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are you guys crazy? this has to be a bluff, Jeans is really polarised to str8s (mostly 74) but maybe some weaker str8s too and then bluffs. Ilari is never value betting here, if he thought his hand was good he would check call as if jeans is polarised he either has it or doesnt (and would not call only bluff)
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fatboi78 (2012-11-27)
are you guys crazy? this has to be a bluff, Jeans is really polarised to str8s (mostly 74) but maybe some weaker str8s too and then bluffs. Ilari is never value betting here, if he thought his hand was good he would check call as if jeans is polarised he either has it or doesnt (and would not call only bluff)
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fatboi78 (2012-11-27)
are you guys crazy? this has to be a bluff, Jeans is really polarised to str8s (mostly 74) but maybe some weaker str8s too and then bluffs. Ilari is never value betting here, if he thought his hand was good he would check call as if jeans is polarised he either has it or doesnt (and would not call only bluff)
No way jeans folds 74 are you crazy and the chances of him having A4 after the flop check raise, come on there are not enough hands that beat illari that he can have and fold for this to be a bluff
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I saw the hand while it was played and it was clear to me that Jeans had a straight since the flop and it looked to me that ilari was well aware of this as well.
Jeans is very good, but compared to others hes pretty nitty as well.
The river shove looked more like a desperate attempt by ilari to make jeans fold a weaker straight.
Ilari is not the type of guy that realizes that he is beat and checkfolds a hand like topset, so he tried to make jeans laydown a non-nutted straight.
edit: and it was pretty clear it had to be 74 not 24
2012-11-27 15:39 by
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Pretty sure zig is bluffing here... But godknows what goes through his head. If any of you have seen his "training videos", you would know what i mean
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Well, everyone could have his POV, no one is crazy (but Ilari), just can happen that someone sees
things differently...
Very similar situation occured few days ago with Sauce and Barcode (interesting hand imo):
http://www.highstakesdb.com/replayer-hand-popup.aspx?handId=1200273
but, difference is that as 2 FDs are busted on river, and Sauce is value betting/ semi bluffing /bluffing....
value bet for Barcodes: busted FD having 2 pairs e.g. KT + hearts nut FD on turn
semi bluffing for Barcodes: weaker set ( it is also value bet then...)
bluffing for Barcodes: JQ J7 or 76
It turned out that Barcode was holding the weakest possible str8 on river 76 ( was thinking for call on river cca 1 min). Pretty crazy bet ( I guess he was floating/bluffing) from Barcode on flop ( although amouont is small when compared to his stack) and hero call on river.
Why did Sauce bet river?
Pure bluff?
From these 2 hands seems that it is standard action at these levels as it is ultimate level of play ( metapoker, play beyond play etc...). Also, seems that best players act pretty similar in similar spots...
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2012-11-27 17:03 by
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