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Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
As I open up my full tilt poker lobby, I take a look at the one 25/50 nl game going on. I look at the average pot of 221 dollars and snivel, thinking back to 2/4 PLO games I've played with the same average pot on an almost regular basis. I quickly switch my browser to the PLO games, and while I don't plan to rail any of these "small" 25/50 games, the average pots of 1500 plus make me glad I call myself a PLO player.
Sure, tournaments will always be going for Hold'em. They are a lot of fun and you can amass giant stacks and win huge prizes. But will cash Hold'em ever become a legitimate, action packed game like it once was years ago? Sure, we get to watch a few fun battles with Kanu, Isildur, patpatman, and wilhasa, but other than that its just bum-hunters and nits. I remember playing on stars when you could add a buy-in when you were all in. I remember tables full of players at the 10 20 and 25 50 limits, not knowing who anyone was, not using tracking software, and just playing for the action.
What can be done to change this? Anonymous names? 3x requirements? A 6th card on the board? Or is it too late for Hold'em, and anyone not on the PLO ship has missed the boat completely?
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
3 tables of 200/400 deep running on stars atm and earlier on there was some 300/600 ante being played so there is still some high stakes action
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
did he talked about 200/400 or 300/600?
i guess no
idiotic reply rly  yeah NL dieng and 0Human0 and some other nit regs on stars killed the action becouse one new player comes he will be destroyed no matter how good he is, becouse whole table will play on him- so its imo tuff to enter the games 25/50 and 50/100
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
Maybe if the American market is reopened it will pick up again but I honestly believe it will never be like that again. Too many regs playing the game. Hell even PLO is heading that way. I opened 3 new deep ante tables yesterday and all five seats filled up with, yup you guessed it, short stackers - well short stack for those tables with player buying in for 100bb. Stats for these players were ridiculously tight with only one player having VPIP% above 30 -WTF?
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
Temp101 (2012-11-20)
Maybe if the American market is reopened it will pick up again but I honestly believe it will never be like that again. Too many regs playing the game. Hell even PLO is heading that way. I opened 3 new deep ante tables yesterday and all five seats filled up with, yup you guessed it, short stackers - well short stack for those tables with player buying in for 100bb. Stats for these players were ridiculously tight with only one player having VPIP% above 30 -WTF?
Angle shooting is big now. It is like taking steroids in professional sports. Everyone is looking for an edge and no one just competes anymore. I guess that is why only tournaments still thrive. Everyone has to play until they are knocked out. They can't just jump in and out as they please. I would equate tournaments to playoffs in professional sports, and cash games to the local con on the corner playing 3 card monte and running anytime a legitimate threat comes.
Even if the U.S. market comes back, the game has been primarily solved. I think its time for 2-7 triple draw to take the stage!
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
CoolHand (2012-11-20)
Even if the U.S. market comes back, the game has been primarily solved. I think its time for 2-7 triple draw to take the stage!
I can see 2-7 rising in popularity but i dont think its ever gonna get what PLO is today, simply because its not a flop, turn, river game. Im a complete fish in the game but from what I see its a game you gotta do some studying about and it becomes less psychological and more mathematical. I think PLO is gonna be #1 for years to come.
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
nlhe + 2 cards is the future... but completely agree with what your saying. Regs make it near impossible for new nlhe players to emerge. what can be done???
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
its just a solved game at 100bb its hard to have an edge whereas plo isnt solved so even at the highest limits good players are doing enough things differently that someone has an edge. The only ways people have a big edge in nl is if there are enough fish in the game, which there arent. This is however why tournaments are still popular as they are the game that fish love, they see a relatively small buyin compared to the first place and think they can do it. Its also what they have mostly seen on tv and this is why so many people still play those as all the tv time means fish still play and the games are relatively soft.
These days i play mid to low high stakes holdem and with how good i am now, i could of crushed those 25/50 + games back in the day, as many people could, the game moved forward people got better as there was so much GOOD information available on the internet. And without people around willing to put up a lot of money who are bad it just will never be the same again
The only exception to this is hu where due to the exploitative nature of it people can still get decent edges even when two good players play, however unless two good players feel like battling this happens less often and comprises most of the action seen at higher stakes
2012-11-20 20:16 by
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
Ya, I guess heads up is the one part of nl that isn't solved, but again you have the regs with their huge lists of "no play" names, waiting for someone to show up who happens to have awful stats....
It sucks because instead of people working to get better by playing better opponents, they just give up and look for easy game. Nowadays, everyone wants everything to come easy, and no one is willing to put the time, effort, and risk in to achieve true greatness.
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RE: Can Hold'em Ever be Resurrected?
And then you have people like XWINK who have no fear and destroy regs for a short period of time
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